fund? what fund pays for it? >> i don't know which fund. >> we've got to find that out. we've got to find out where these pinhead cabinet people. ed schaefer, former secretary of agriculture. there's ed, okay? and this -- you know, they go around -- between $20,000 and $45,000, and one more, jim nicholson, the former v.a. chief, there's jim. look at him. he has the same tie on in the portrait that he has looking at the portrait. >> that was worth $10,000. >> all right. so this comes at i think it's probably discretionary funds in their organizations, in their government organizations, and they just peel it out, you know. jim, i like jim nickson, but, you know, 40 grand could buy two track chairs for the guys who have no arms or legs in the v.a., you know what i'm talking about? >> a rounding error. let's eliminate the entire department. we don't need them.